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1/6/09

My Open Letter to Lisa

After replying to Lisa's post, I realized that my comment was extremely long and I decided to make a post out of it. To see how this whole discussion started, you can read her post

Lisa replied to my first comment saying :

Hijabee,

I love your passion for all causes Islamic and I even though I disagree I appreciate how strongly you feel about this.

Terror is never right Hijabee. I understand how bad it's become for Palestinian families who watch their children bulldozed and fell all alone.

But ask yourself dear Hijabee: Does everyone have to become a terrorist when their faced with something similar? Did the Japanese who survived Hiroshima and a gigantic mushroom cloud retaliate with terror, or did they choose peace? Did they not support the U.S. even as they built Toyotas, made Kodak cameras, and attempt to become the #1 superpower peacefully?

They learned a lesson long ago that the Palestinians and Islamic terrorists choose to ignore. That Kamikaze suicide missions are not a long term solution.

And what about the Cubans, the Vietnamese, and the list goes on.

If you can't beat em, join em. Many nations including Israel seem to realize this about America.

Muslims are not responsible for the Holocaust Hijabee. Just like Jews didn't sit home on 9-11. No in fact, many Jews who were the best traders on Wall Street arrived to their Cantor Fitzgerald offices on 9-11. They had Jewish names like Katz, Goldberg, and Lutnick. They became the heroic jumpers who made a final decision on how to die rather than have Al Qaeda choose.

As for Hitler, he himself says he wasn't a Christian in Mein Kampf. "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery...."When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."

And Jim Jones-well did anyone start a Christian trend of poisoned Kool-Aid after that?

Terror is just not right Hijabee. The people most of the world admires are purposefully not terrorists. They are the Japanese who made peace and learned a lesson.




First, my passion is not for all things Islamic. My passion is for truth, liberty and justice for all. I remember hearing that in the national anthem and I didn’t realize it only applied to America and Israel.

Secondly, when did the word terror become synonymous with Islam? When the Native American were slaughtered, and land taken I didn’t hear the word terror or terrorist. Now the Native Americans have the freedom to live on reservations with casinos funded by the government. When the Australian also took the aborigenes'land what did we call that? I believe it was called settlement.

When 400 million slaves were taken from their homeland was it called terrorism? Or would you say that’s life.How do you define terror or terrorist?

Colonization was just to civilize Africans,right?

When the Bush and Reagan administration allied with Bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein was it okay at that point to associate with terrorists? When the Afghans were fighting the Soviets with weapons provided by the US, was the US sponsoring terrorism?

In this world, it seems we have the have and the have not, we have the first world and the third world. The haves, and the first world will always be right, the have not and the third world will always be wrong. Fancy words like settlement or national security will be used to defend genocides when they are committed by the powerful and glorious, the weak will always be terrorists! The Japanese who survived Hiroshima were not put in cities with blockades where basic necessities lacked and terror reigns. They were not given $34% of Japan and asked to just accept it and move on because the world superpowers decided so! But yet, when they were hopeless and helpless they did exactly the same thing that you’re condemning right now! Kamikaze attacks were used because they did not have any other recourse. The tradition of suicide instead of defeat was deeply entrenched in the Japanese military culture. It is still one of the main traditions in the Samurai life, especially loyalty and honor unto death.

You’re saying that they understood that kamikaze attacks are not a long-term solution; well I guess they stopped because they are a free nation today and trust me I don’t think that those blowing themselves up are planning to do it for the rest of future generations! Obviously, it’s a short-term "fix" to their plight, that can’t be done forever! But Kamikazes are not terrorists, only Muslims are. These silly Arabs, how dare they? In the end, you’re trying to assimilate Vietnam, Cuba, Japan,…… with Palestine, which is truly an unfair and false comparison for anyone who knows history knows how different the plights of these nations are! Palestinians are refugees in their own country, but I guess it is okay with you! Can you imagine Americans being refugees in America? Having to travel 6 hours to go 80 miles because they are stopped at checkpoints? You can’t sympathize coz you’re not Palestinian! You would just want them to leave their land,that is your solution! The Mighty and Glorious want the world to just accept every decision they make and move on, the Palestinians dared to say No and they are paying a high price right now, the price of standing for truth and dignity. The simple fact that you have that thought tells me that you won’t understand! You can’t understand that the whole Israeli-Palestinian issue started with a wrong that was done to Palestinians, and unless you understand that, there is no point of going any further. You want the Palestinians to just ignore their land and move on! Maybe you should start watching Al-Jazeera and get off CNN for just a minute.

One final point: I never said terror was right! Though I don't condone terrorism, I understand it! What I want you to understand is, Islam is not to be blamed for terrorist acts. Terrorism doesn’t have a religion, it is not due to their religion that they act they way they do, rather it is due to their circumstances. That's the difference between you and me. I can see someone's circumstances and link those circumstances to their actions. You, you see the religion and every action is linked back to the perpetrator's religion! But you know what? Unless I walk a mile in someone else's swollen feet I will not judge!

38 comments:

Yasmeen said...

Mashallah Sister,this is such an eye-opening post for understanding the pathetic situation of Palestinians.

Ms.Unique said...

Bravo! Hijabee .... beautiful reply .... Subhan Allah these are very questions I wanted an answer for ....

Hijabis On Ranting Tour. said...

Subhan'Allah, Bless you :)
Like Ms Unique,I wanted to answer but oh well, answered it is :D
CNN is sure a brain-washing;Zionist's sponsored channel.

hijabee said...

I'm just sad that unfortunately we are misunderstood by a lot of people!

Mina said...

Very well said sis...Bravo:)

Made us all very proud...

washi said...

I echo what Mina said...love you for the sake of Allah sis :-)

Lisa said...

Thanks for all of your thoughts Hijabee. I'm very glad to hear a different point of view!

hijabee said...

Lisa, thanks for your reply, that I will post here as well since this was an open letter. I will comment on what you said in a minute, I have to run to a meeting!

Hijabee,

To be victorious Dear Hijabee, you must kill your oppressor with kindness. God expects you to rely solely on Him just as Job and Daniel did. Not on your slingshots, you’re lethal shrapnel, and your kids who should be studying to make a difference instead of blowing up Jews. Do you not believe that this is the correct message of the Qur’an that borrowed these very stories of Daniel, Jonah, and Job from the Jews and Christians?

And this is looking like a long-term solution Hijabee. It really is. The Japanese Kamikazes still sent their children to school throughout World War II and have always believed more in education 15 hours a day than almost anything else. For them it was easy to make this a short-term solution. The Vietnamese whose only source of income was their ruined rice paddy fields managed to carry on peacefully despite ruler Pol-Pot Hijabee. For Palestinians, I see it as your plan for a long-term solution because you want to send your future generations out, your very best and brightest, to die in vain! You want to insure that these problems carry on for decades that way. The Kamikaze lifestyle was short-lived because the Japanese had a Plan B!

Palestinian parents aren’t so different than the Jahiliyya style parents in Africa that brand their children as witches and send them off to be homeless or kill them for it. They tend to make the excuse that the kiddies are witches to get rid of them because economic times are hard. Not every Muslim is a true believer, so doesn’t it stand to reason that some Palestinian parents send their wayward sons to suicide bombing houri glory just to get rid of them, and make their economic situation a bit easier? That’s what I mean when I say dying in vain.

And why should we applaud the Arab world that as you say somehow isn’t synonymous with terrorism, when that entire world has only managed to publish 100 books in the last 1,000 years? Heck, even Latvia has managed to roll out more than that. What happened to astronomy and the math that you guys were so good at before anyone else? The Prophet would be so very ashamed..

Unfortunately, the first world will always be right and that is a cruel reality. Just like most people will always have disdain for those with a 6th grade education, the teenager who gets pregnant at 15, and the homeless man who is offered shelter but refuses it.

I do want them to ignore their land and move on. Not out of hate or malice. Only because it will provide a solution and a vision. For every one person who chooses to remain on their land, we could have two of them getting a PHD instead. Survival of the fittest is a reality and getting a PHD is how you will move mountains in this life. The days of going at through war alone and hoping that suicide bombs tie everything up in a neat little bow are over. And yes I believe that, even if Bush mistakenly persists in his view that he can create a democracy in Iraq. Capitalism is the way to victory.

The fact that you can even “understand” terrorism is really bothersome. You have to know that this is not how a non-Muslim views the world and that you may be persecuted for that belief. And though you can use past American atrocities all day long, I like to think that we’ve come a long way from those uncivilized days. Terrorism is a fairly new word for a new kind of un-civilization that almost entirely encompasses Muslims. And that's a fact.

Anonymous said...

(a repost)

I don't pretend to have done as much research or to not be biased here because Lisa is a personal, real life friend of mine. But really, should this be a time when we point fingers as to whose fault this is? Does it matter when innocent people (of all religions) are dying? Why, if hamas is so concerned for their people and is certain that they are in the right, why can they not call a cease fire and THEN talk and condemn? I remember an example of Sulaiman (paraphrasing) having two women come to him fighting for the same child, both claiming to be the mother. After he saw that they could not come to an agreement, he asked for a knife to be brought to him. When the women questioned him,
he replied that since they wouldn't settle this, he would cut the boy half and give him to each of them. One of the women spoke up and said "No, he belongs to her." You see Sulaiman knew the real mother could not bare to see the child harmed even if it meant an injustice to her. She was rightly awarded the child.

I guess my point is that the leaders in Palestine should be the child's mother and do anything neccessary to help their people if that is indeed their real agenda.

-M

Habayeb said...
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Habayeb said...

masha'allah gurl i applaud you for this post of urs!

PS- sorry for the 1st comment, hit post too soon.

Amina said...

Salam hejabee, thanks for your explanations. Understand that when one has a grudge against Islam, no matter what evidence you give them they'll always find faults to it or to muslims. May Allah reward you for doing your part. Alhamdouli'Llah even though terror is associated nowadays with Islam, we are not seeing any muslim army invading other countries. On the contrary, muslim countries are being invaded with the approval of others. As long as muslims are being killed, it's ok because they are not as human as others as them ; any other person is touched the whole world screams outrage, terrorism ! But no matter what, none can extinguish the light of the deen that Allah has chosen for us : Al-Islam ! May Allah protect our brothers and sisters who are being oppressed and keep their Iman strong, amin ! May Allah protect and give refuge to any human being ( man, woman and child ) who is being unjustly oppressed in this wold, amin ! May Allah guide and protect us, may He keep us on the straight path until we take our last breath on this earth, amin !

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but I had to respond to this particular line "Alhamdouli'Llah even though terror is associated nowadays with Islam, we are not seeing any muslim army invading other countries."

Perhaps not nowadays, but what about when the prophets men fought whoever they deemed hostile and opposed to the message? Were they not considered an army of sorts? And what did they do with their women and children? Enslave them, keep them as concubines, and if the women were really lucky, maybe marry them. I am interested to hear anyone defend the right Islam gave men to sleep with 'what their right hand possesed.' POSSESED. What wrong did these women do to deserve their men being slaughtered and their way of life destroyed? What I'm trying to say is that not only muslims have suffered this plight and that Islam is not without blood on its hands.

I apologize if I hijacked this post.

-M

hijabee said...

Lisa,

“Do you not believe that this is the correct message of the Qur’an that borrowed these very stories of Daniel, Jonah, and Job from the Jews and Christians?”
No I don’t believe that the Qur’an borrowed stories from the Jews and the Christians to start with, but I’m not even going to comment on that.

It seems to me that you agree with the Japanese Kamikaze coz they sent their kids to school according to you and us Muslims only wrote less than 100 books for the last 1000 years…. Where do you get your facts from? This is something that I could see on a tv show under Myth or Reality! *shocked*


“Palestinian parents aren’t so different than the Jahiliyya style parents in Africa that brand their children as witches and send them off to be homeless or kill them for it. They tend to make the excuse that the kiddies are witches to get rid of them because economic times are hard.”
Again, where is this fact of yours coming from? As someone who’s lived in Africa and never heard of children being witches and being killed, I would like to know where you got this one from lol. Is this your version of ‘Punked’?

“some Palestinian parents send their wayward sons to suicide bombing houri glory just to get rid of them, and make their economic situation a bit easier?”
I guess the more sons they give away, the better their economic situation would be, again Im sure a lot of Palestinians should be living in great economic situations right now due to the deaths of their sons and daughters who were such a headache to their families…. Food is really more important than life in Palestine…..


“Unfortunately, the first world will always be right and that is a cruel reality. Just like most people will always have disdain for those with a 6th grade education, the teenager who gets pregnant at 15, and the homeless man who is offered shelter but refuses it.”
This got to be the most ignorant of your claims! And if you truly believe that the first world will always be right, then this gots to be disturbing! And you should definitely agree with people who have disdain for 6th grade education, teenage pregnancy and homelessness,. This comment right here shows that you & me don’t live in the same world. See in my world, the first world is not always right, rather its wrong most of the time, and in my world, that is not cruel!.


“I do want them to ignore their land and move on. Not out of hate or malice. Only because it will provide a solution and a vision”
That’s your solution, not theirs. You don’t live on their land, why should you decide for them? Oh yeh, I guess you’re part of that 1st world which is always right……

“Terrorism is a fairly new word for a new kind of un-civilization that almost entirely encompasses Muslims. And that's a fact.”
Apparently dictionary.com thinks otherwise:

terrorism

the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. Yet terrorism is hardly the only enterprise involving violence and the threat of violence. So does war, coercive diplomacy, and barroom brawls.

According to sociologists and experts on terrorism the French Revolution provided the first uses of the words terrorist and terrorism. The use of the word terrorism began in 1795 in reference to the ‘Reign of Terror’ initiated by the Revolutionary government in France during the French Revolution. The agents of the Committee of Public Safety and the National Convention that enforced the policies of “The Terror” were referred to as ‘terrorists’. Researches done on the history of terrorism reveal that ‘terrorist’ in the modern sense dates to 1947, especially in reference to Jewish tactics against the British in Palestine – while earlier it was used for extremist revolutionaries in Russia (1866). The tendency of one party’s terrorism said to be another’s guerilla war or fight for freedom was noted in reference to the anti-British actions in India (1857), Cyprus (1956) and the war in Rhodesia (1973). The word terrorist has been applied, at least retroactively, to the Marquis resistance in occupied France in World War II.
So right now, Israel is being the Oppressor, what is their responsibility? What’s funny is you expect the smaller entity or the one being oppressed to just let go and move on? I guess David should have offered Goliath some tea. Should Musa have told Pharaoh, go ahead enslave my people until you get tired of it? Perhaps 500 lbs bombs being dropped from thousands of feet in the air is the answer!

hijabee said...

Anonymous,
Well in this case, the child itself can't be free even if you let go. Israelis still have blockades, still use water, food, medecine as weapons! They still occupy, kill and terrorize the palestinians in the West BANK who are supposedly the good palestinians!

hijabee said...

Habayab,
Thanks for commenting.

Amina,
Ameen to your duas!May Allah guide and protect us inshAllah

Amina said...

Sorry anonymous, i don't debate my religion, specially with those who don't believe because they accuse instead of trying to educate themselves. I'm not interested in pointing fingers back and forth. If you're interested, here is some litterature about slavery in Islam :

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac18.htm#links

For anything else try someone else. I'm done with this subject, ending it with these verses from My Lord The Most high :

Say (O Muhammad to these Mushrikûn and Kâfirûn): "O Al-Kâfirûn (disbelievers in Allâh, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)!
I worship not that which you worship,
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islâmic Monotheism)."

Anonymous said...

"hijabee said...
Anonymous,
Well in this case, the child itself can't be free even if you let go. Israelis still have blockades, still use water, food, medecine as weapons! They still occupy, kill and terrorize the palestinians in the West BANK who are supposedly the good palestinians!"

Well then what solution do the Arab Leaders of the World or Muslims in general provide for these people??? Where is the divine intervention for these victims?

Should they continue to wage war, then complain about casualties? Should they surrender? "Should Musa have told Pharaoh, go ahead enslave my people until you get tired of it?" Moses was a prophet of god who eventually saved his people. He had constant reassurance from his lord: messages, signs, miracles, etc. And he prevailed with his lord's backing. Where is this nations leader and divine backing? Why has god allowed this ummah to fall into such a hole? Don't you think that is is a shame on the arab world that their fellow muslims are suffering next door? maybe they are as much to blame for this as the "Opressor."

I feel for these people, lord knows I do. But perhaps we should take a small consolation in the fact that they will be martyrs.
-M (as in Michelle)

hijabee said...

Michelle,
If you'd read my previous post that can be found @ http://projecthijab.blogspot.com/2009/01/im-not-angry-at-israil-anymore.html you'd see that it was directed to the leaders of the muslim world and I condemned their silence! You say that Musa had a constant reassurance from his Lord, well the Palestinians have faith in their lord too and they are confident that they are in the right and He is with them.

You say why has God allow this ummah to fall into such a hole? Because the ummah itself needs to revolutionize its thinking! We need to stand for what's right and follow the true teachings of Islam which we are not all necessarily doing! If you read my previous post, you'd see that I raised all these points already!

JASMINA said...

I am with you Hijabee...COMPLETELY!

Lisa said...

Hijabee,

The first thing I noticed after reading your post is that I'm not sure you really like to defend Islam. Now if that's because you don't want to get into a war over it on your blog where bad things may be said about the Prophet, I totally understand. But, if it's because you believe Islam is incredibly simple and I'm overthinking things like many imams have told me, and we should only know Islam in it's censored form, then I disagree with that.

In fact, let me know if I've gone too far in something I've said that's offensive about Islam especially on your blog. I'll post in my comments section if I mention something negative about it and then only if you'd like, you can add it to yours out of respect for your beliefs.

Here's a link to the story on kids in Africa who are branded as witches:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/world/africa/15witches.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7764575.stm
That was actually a major news story Hijabee.

And I spoke incorrectly earlier. What I meant to say is that Spain translates the number of books in one year that Arabs have translated into Arabic in the last 1000 years. Here's a link from the UAE on that:
www.kalima.ae/eng/press/KalimaPR_2007-11-21.pdf

Dear Hijabee, If the third world is always right then why do you choose to live here in the first world? Now Hijabee, you made a perfect argument that I can't know what it's like to be occupied because I'm not a Palestinian. You get to live in DC everyday and see the Lincoln Memorial and Pennsylvania Ave. You probably deal with generally intelligent classy business types as a high powered investment banker. I have the feeling that if you got over there and lived that routine, you'd quickly hate the Arab men all planning to own their own small business, refusing to work, etc. You'd probably tire of their inability to see anything but a need for more terror.

I think my solution makes sense and is more in line with the true Islamic and general Abrahamic tradition. God wants us to be kind and make peace. And it's important to do that with education and not violence. Why is it so much harder for Palestinians to want to learn algebra then to get their arm blown off?

Nobody really wants to talk about relying solely on God rather than weapons and terror, which was the entire point of my original post. Wouldn't that be so much easier than constantly defending yourself about whether terror is inherent in Islam? And wouldn't it be more noble in the long run?

As the oppressor Israel has a responsibility to drop their weapons and come to terms with the fact that they can't drop a settlement on every Palestinian doorstep. They also have a duty to be the democracy they promised they were. And they have a duty to recognize what the Torah said about their Prophets and follow those messages.

As the oppressed the Palestinians have a responsibility to drop their weapons and come to terms with the fact that the Jews are here to stay. They also have a duty to act as Job, Daniel and other noble figures, and put their faith in Allah that this shall come to pass.

hijabee said...

Lisa,
I don't know what gave you the idea that I don't like to defend Islam, if anything that's what I've been trying to do with my previous posts. Anyhow, I do think that Islam is simple in its practice i-e you don't need to be a rocket science to understand its pillars and rituals! But that's a debate for another day, another time :) I certainly don't know what 'censored Islam' is, but if you make comments that are insulting to Islam,the Prophet saw or the Quran, I will delete them.

As far as your story about children witches in Africa, I checked the link and it does mention that children in Congo were accused of witchcraft and persecuted. I don't think this is a norm in Africa though or people purely kill their kids for economic reasons! It was my ignorance that I was unaware of this story, I will give you that.

For the 100 books, the article in your link doesn't talk about Arab litterature or Muslim literature, rather it shows a list of 100 foreign books that were selected by Kalima to be translated in Arabic!

Oh, re-read my previous post, I never said the third world was always right! I refuted your ideology that the first world was always right and I said "in my world, the first world is not always right, rather its wrong most of the time,". Unlike you, I see good and bad in both worlds, but I see more wrong in the First world's foreign policy, its ideology of being invincible, and of course its very ideology of always being right that you embrace, that allowed it to persecute millions of people in the name of civilization and revolution. See, me living in the first world is incidental, just like any person's nationality, citizenship, family is incidental! I make the best of it, and the best of who I am! My wish is to move to a muslim country and that's a choice that my family and I will have to make together, and I don't want to make this about my personal life.

I still don't understand your basis for saying that Palestinians prefer having their arms blown off to learning algebra. Just last week, I watched a documentary about 2 schools in Nablus, Palestine and how students were learning under siege, you should check it out, its very informative! ( its 4 parts ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtziKpJi2Wk

Well for the first time, you've said in your response that Israel was the oppressor and had a responsibility to drop their weapons. This is a different discourse than what started us in this debate. And again, even without rockets, without Hamas, the Palestinians were still oppressed, the ones in the West Bank who are supposed to be the good palestinians are still oppressed, they still have to go to checkpoints in their own country and are not free to travel as they wish! At the end of the day, I don't care what religion you are, this is not a fight of religion, it is a fight of justice! And that's something that some people just don't tend to understand!

hijabee said...

Jasmina,
Thanks for your comment :)

Empress Anisa said...

Sick minded people will say sick things... as always, your post is "on point" and correct.
May Allah (SWT) keep you with those who are upon the right path (Ameen).

Anonymous said...

Asalamu Walaikum,
It is really unfortunate that so many sisters have added Lisa/Yasmin to their blogrolls. She clearly HATES Islam and as such they should not be aiding her to spread her message. She IS NOT about peaceful/interfaith dialogue. She HATES Islam folks and she wants to get as many readers as possible to her blog so she TRY can steer them away from The Truth. That's her gig--Witnessing for Jesus, athudibillah!
She Says that she loves YOU, she respects YOU...but she HATES Islam, take the veil off your eyes sisters! Notice her Muslim blog role is 99.95% FEMALE--that's cuz brothers would see right through that manipulative "I Love You" move she pulls.
Uff. Yes, I remain anony cuz I don't want her stuff anywhere near me. Not online, not on judgement day--inshallah.

Layla said...

Lisa,
Why are you portraying yourself as a muslim while you're not one? You go on muslim blogs and try to pose as a muslim woman while you bash Islam on your blog, you're busted and I hope sisters open their eyes and see who you truly are, a hypocryte! You said that muslim woman are ignorant and your hate for Islam is all over your blog!!!! You said yourself that God punished you for choosing Islam and that's why you left . I quote:
"I look back at what happened in the last ten years and now realize that God knew all along that I'd be lonely, abused, and afraid and He let that happen on purpose to punish me for picking Islam. The Lord made me resdiscover Him completely on my own so that I'd know for sure that I made the right choice this time. And so that this choice would be set in stone for the duration of my life. I love you Lord Jesus."

Lisa said...

My legal name is still Yasmin Fatima and I still have a Muslim husband. I have never pretended to be Muslim and when I go on Islamic blogs I try to be polite out of respect for other sisters. If that makes me sound like a Muslim, it's not a case of misrespresentation but a case of not being rude on someone else's blog. The true test of whether a sister is a good Muslim is whether they are willing to do da'wah for a non-Muslim. Would the Prophet appreciate mean comments and the fact that you used the word hypocrite?

I'll be adding Christian blogs very soon with plenty of brothers to go along with it. And there is a very good reason why I don't want to change any Muslim minds. I don't believe in missionary work, that is NOT a Lutheran tradition at all. I want you to stay exactly where you are and if God wants differently then I'm glad.

Hijabee, I'm really sorry to have hijacked your blog and I'll also respond to your comments on my lunch. I just wanted to respond really quickly.

Layla said...

I called you a hypocryte because I've read you numerous times on muslim blogs using words like subhanAllah, alhamdulilah,...... This is not someone trying to be polite, it's clear to me that you're trying to mislead readers into beleiving you're a muslim woman! And there are many other examples that I can cite but I have better things to do! If you don't beleive in something, why do you talk as if you beleived in it? You don't need to be fake to come on muslim blogs, just portray yourself as who you are!...Yeh, it's completely random than you only have muslim blogs on your blogroll !

Lisa said...

I don't believe in it Layla, but I want to be respectful to someone else's blog. Also, I'm really used to using those words, I have been for ten years. I mean that's the honest truth. My husband speaks Arabic and I'm around him a lot obviously. Michelle who also commented here and I were chatting the other day. She mentioned that even though we've both left Islam we still always say Salaam to each other before we hang up. I mean old habits die hard.

Maybe I should be more who I am. But, honestly Layla first impressions are everything. I started my blog with the sincere goal of discussing why I left Islam and being polite to the sisters out there who were kind enough to comment no matter what. The reason I don't have a lot of guy friends and their blogs is because remember I'm still married to an Arab Muslim man. Just because I returned to Christianity doesn't mean I'm an adulterer. Rather, my journey has lead me to discover that those who are the most religious in the world are NOT outwardly so. It is the inside, and the private thoughts that count. I never knew for example that my sister was this religious. But, if you met her believe me she doesn't have a mean word for anyone. Not at all. And she looks nice, like someone you want to talk to. Go see for yourself, the link is on my blog. And tell me if my dear sister who is much like me, looks like an evil person.

Lisa said...

Hijabee,

I think we are going to end up having to agree to disagree. You make so many good points and I did re-read your previous posts and saw that your not afraid to defend Islam.

I think it's amazing that you want to move to a Muslim country. I would honestly rather die. I think I'd get bored and my mother-in-law and I might kill each other. The fact that you are willing demonstrates just how passionate you are about this cause. I have to say I was impressed because I wasn't expecting that response at all. Pennsylvania Avenue sounds much nicer.

There are no easy answers to this long-term problem. And maybe as you suggest education is not what the Palestinians would want as their solution. But, I really disagree with the attitude of the sheiks who want to keep the bloodshed going because they say that Israel is the only one who needs to make a move since their the oppressor. I just think that as Muslims, you deserve a better answer than that.

I think that we're always going to have a difference of opinion because a just form of jihad (not terror) is inherent to Islam. The Prophet fought for it. But, in the Bible the test of a true Prophet was following the Ten Commandments and Thou Shall Not Kill. And so even as Christian society goes down the tubes after Jesus' life ended and kills all in their path, I'm sure of one thing. I'm sure that the real Christianity does not like the idea of fighting. No Christian Prophets fought Hijabee. You know the message of Jesus I'm sure. So that's where I'm really coming from on this. I have to follow the Ten Commandments so I can't get onboard with what's going on with Palestinians. And so I can't get onboard with Israel either. And I can't get onboard with Iraq or any war. Their all unjust and not what God intended.

Mike Jones said...

Lisa,
As a former Christian, I see that you don't really understand Christianity either. The first commandment was:

And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God… ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

This commandment is not followed by Christians who beleive in the trinity and associate partners with God!

And exactly who were the Christian prophets? Jesus did not call himself Christian, how can you talk about Christian prophets. As far as his message, or the bible is concerned, I don't think you're correct when you say Christianity doesn't like the idea of fighting. You are well aware of Crusades! And you are well aware of the atrocities committed by the Catholic Church!
In the Old Testament:

Let us look at Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

In Genesis:
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4

God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23

Shall I go on?

Inexplicable Muslima said...

Ahh.... Is it me.. or is there just no pleasing some people until they get what they want?

p.s. Im amazed that I haven't gotten any of these letters or I love you with poison moments. Though I think there was one attempt...

Anonymous said...

Lisa/Yasmin- "Maybe I should be more who I am." Well it would be best if you figured out who you are before you represent yourself.
" I don't believe in missionary work, that is NOT a Lutheran tradition at all."
Perhaps that is not the Lutheran tradition, but you have proven yourself as someone who does not adhere firmly or correctly to ANY belief system. You are full of contridictions Lisa. You seem misguided, allhuallim. Pray more, disseminate less.

hijabee said...

Lisa,
Pennsylvania avenue might be nicer to you, but not to me, walk a block or 2 and the streets are infested with homeless, drunks,and bums right accross from the white house!

I did not mention that the Palestinians did not want education as their solution, either you don't read carefully or you choose to see what you wanna see.Again, I gave you the link for the documentary about education in Palestine that you're free to watch.

You say a just form of Jihad is inherent in Islam.... Really? lol, well Islam teaches us that the greatest jihad is the jihad of the nafs i-e struggle for self-improvement, self-restraint, fighting your ego to acheive righteousness and justice! You've insulted the prophet saw in your blog and wrote lies about him in your post to Safiyyah.Unfortunately you try to quote Islam or talk about the prophet saw while you don't understand either! I'm sorry to say this but it really makes you sound ignorant.

I think you should take anonymous's advice to figure out who you are or at least educate yourself more on certain topics before making certain inferencess! And you're really full of contradictions, you've changed your message over and over on the Palestinian-Israeli issue.

And because of your ill-comments on the prophet saw and Islam that I read in your blog, I don't want to pursue this conversation with you. I tend not to be very patient with ignorance, so I will let you with the words of the Quran that Amina cited :
"O Al-Kâfirûn (disbelievers in Allâh, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)!
I worship not that which you worship,
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islâmic Monotheism)."

Lisa said...

Hijabee,

Well it's been a pleasure. I have learned a lot from you and have enjoyed seeing your passion for this cause. Debating Islam probably wouldn't be much fun for either of us anyhow.

I'm used to the censorship of Islam. I lived in my little bubble for ten years. It's very hard to see the reality of the religion unless you go to the outside and then look in.

And you shouldn't be afraid to do that Hijabee. God will protect your deen unless it's just too fragile.

Therefore, I leave you today with a Thomas Jefferson quote that I love:

"There is not a truth existing which I fear or would wish unknown to the entire world."

Abdul Vakil (AV) said...

As-salaamu 'alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

Praying this reaches you in the best of iman and health. In'sha'Allah ta'ala.

Alhamdulillah. I'm elated to have stumbled on your blog, Sister. Ma'sha'Allah. I had to research a bit more of the background on this entry for a little clarity. Subhan'Allah, what's more disheartening than hearing of those who've abandoned the Deen ul-Haqq, is hearing the falsehoods they report against it assuming the pretense of "this is the truth Muslims don't want you know about Islam and I know because I once was one." Subhan'Allah, it's absurd. May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala guide those whose hearts are open to receieve. Ameen.

The first question that enters my mind upon hearing about ex-Muslims is how did they come into Islam? Was it with ikhlas? Secondly, how was their ibadah and lastly, did they seek out knowledge of Islam before they confused it with societal customs/cultures or before they sought the propaganda hurled against it by those who are averse? I come to find all of them seem not to have even an elementary understanding of tawheed; the first condition of our Kalima "la ilaha ill Allah" and most of them altogether neglected the key condition of faith... knowledge.

It's disheartening and I earnestly pray that Allah, Most High, guide us all to the Truth. Ameen.

I can now add your blog to the list of those that I follow. And feel free to stop by mine as well, sis. In'sha'Allah. Barak'Allah feekum.

Wa'salaam!

Anonymous said...

Jazakiallah Khair Hijabee Sissy! I called out her passive aggressive stuff a couple months ago on ORAU and sisters gave me grief for it! Sisters who I LOVE. Alhumdiallah, thanks for this post sis, it was so needed--and you see what she followed up with. She can dish it, but she certainly can't take it. And yes, I remain anonymous, not because I can't take it--but because I know myself well enough to know that I don't want it! But again, I appreciate that you took it on, masha Allah.

hijabee said...

Abdul Vakil,
Waleikum Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,
You're so right in your comment. It is so obvious to recognize when someone came to Islam for the wrong reasons, and what amazes me still is the absence of knowledge, ikhlass, tawheed and ibadah, subhanaAllah!True worship does not consist in the mere form of prayer, without the heart and mind being earnestly applied to seek the realisation of the presence of Allah, and to understand and do His Holy Will. But these things make me stronger in my deen, coz these people are described in depht in our glorious QURAN and the prophet saw warned us about them. Their kind was even present during his time, so it shouldn't be a surprise to us to see them today! Allah swt chooses to guide whom He wills, and whom He leaves misguided will stay astray! ahuzubilah, may Allah protect us! Thank you for stopping by my blog, you've raised some important points and inshaAllah, I will keep on stopping by yours.

Anonymous,
Thank you for your comment sister! I think Allah swt gave us the best advice for how to act with such people:
"So leave them to plunge in vain talk and play about, until they encounter that Day of theirs which they have been promised!-" (Quran, 70:42). Reason why I stopped answering to messages that were more due to ignorance than anything else!So, to us our deeds, and to them thier deeds; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant!